My uncle has struck again on facebook.
What sucks about facebook is that you let family in and you can't necessarily delete them. I made the mistake of friending my uncle. I felt like I couldn't really say no.
About a week later, he emailed me about the gay marriage thing in April, shortly after a status update I wrote about Iowa.:
Hi Tina,
I like the new cover pic. A question, did you ever read the book I sent you, "The Virtue of Selfishness" by Ayn Rand? We are ALL equal, it is a condition of birth. It is always the government which separates us, it is how they get and maintain power.
From what you've posted, you're looking for marriage to be redefined to include gay couples. So you look for the government to do that. The problem is, when the government gets involved and you ask the to redefine something, they just can't stop.
The BEST way to handle this is to look to society to accept unions between gay couples. That way it's up to the gay couples to define how that works. If you want to be put into the "marriage pot", you see how well that works out (for the divorce lawyers).
As I said, what happens next if marriage is redefined? What if a man wants to marry two or three women (or men) or even a dog? Who says that can't happen? Then marriage becomes meaningless.
You really need to read Ayn Rand if you haven't. It's not about what to think as politicians want to tell you, but it teaches you HOW to think,Objectively. When you do that, the lies pop right to the top.
As the father of a gay son (and even before he came out) I was never against gay unions, just redefining the defination of marriage. People like me don't push back against marriage for gays because we hate gays, it's because we don't want marriage redefined and thereby destroyed. If marriage can be redefined, then so can gay or homosexual (i. e. the old joke, male lesbian). Just where do you draw the line?
I am always open to dialog.You have my number .
Love You and who you are!!
Uncle Paul
I posted about this in LJ, and got some great responses. I followed most people's advice and ignored it.
Once that got no response, he emailed me again on my personal email, saying something about coming to watch his fish for vacation and mentioned it again. I didn't respond to that either.
Then, he called. I was forced to engage him now, since I was driving and didn't look to see who was calling and answered it. It went a bit like this:
Him: Wow, this whole gays getting married thing is just killing marriage.
Me: *sigh* No, it isn't.
Him: Oh, really? Well, I just think it's the biggest threat to marriage.
Me: You have had three divorces. If you ask me, your divorces are doing more harm than good to marriage.
He suddenly had to go.
A few more weeks go by, and I get another email today.:
Hi Tina,
Read this article: http://www.worldnetdaily.c
Call me sometime and we can discuss it.
;-)
Paul
Okay... so... I read the article. World net daily is a severe right wing website. I think anyone who has ever written for a high school newspaper, town penny saver, or family yearly update can contribute, and the writing in the article makes it painfully clear. I was talking about it with![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
twtd and it really seemed like the person writing it was very right wing, but he was writing liberally, and getting confused along the way. I couldn't even read the entire article because it made no sense. If you want to give it a go, that's fine, but seriously...
Anyone who I talk to on a regular basis knows how I feel. Honestly, I don't care if it's called marriage, or fdnjka, or what. Right now, I am listening to my partner sleep 10,000 miles away because there is no law on the books that recognizes her as my partner. My dad told me about how his brother in law went to Africa, met a woman, married her in a week, and two months later, she is in the process of getting her green card. In three months, Kate and I will be together for two years. We have spent most of that time separated by two oceans because our relationship doesn't count. I just want to be treated the same. I want to be able to have a baby with Kate without having to be scared that someone will take it away because both of us have vaginas. This whole thing is exhausting me, and having the states recognize marriage is going to evenutally have to force the federal government to overturn DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act). I would settle for equal immigration rights right now, because that's on the forefront of my mind.
::Sigh:: This is not how I intended to spend my Saturday. I'm tired of sitting back and not fighting back. My plan to deal with my uncle is two fold. One, I am going to email him and as politely as possible tell him to fuck himself, then defriend him. Next, I am going to make small donations to every gay rights group I can think of in his name and make sure I get him signed up for mailings.
I am having a hard time being tactful. Anyone have suggestions?
What sucks about facebook is that you let family in and you can't necessarily delete them. I made the mistake of friending my uncle. I felt like I couldn't really say no.
About a week later, he emailed me about the gay marriage thing in April, shortly after a status update I wrote about Iowa.:
Hi Tina,
I like the new cover pic. A question, did you ever read the book I sent you, "The Virtue of Selfishness" by Ayn Rand? We are ALL equal, it is a condition of birth. It is always the government which separates us, it is how they get and maintain power.
From what you've posted, you're looking for marriage to be redefined to include gay couples. So you look for the government to do that. The problem is, when the government gets involved and you ask the to redefine something, they just can't stop.
The BEST way to handle this is to look to society to accept unions between gay couples. That way it's up to the gay couples to define how that works. If you want to be put into the "marriage pot", you see how well that works out (for the divorce lawyers).
As I said, what happens next if marriage is redefined? What if a man wants to marry two or three women (or men) or even a dog? Who says that can't happen? Then marriage becomes meaningless.
You really need to read Ayn Rand if you haven't. It's not about what to think as politicians want to tell you, but it teaches you HOW to think,Objectively. When you do that, the lies pop right to the top.
As the father of a gay son (and even before he came out) I was never against gay unions, just redefining the defination of marriage. People like me don't push back against marriage for gays because we hate gays, it's because we don't want marriage redefined and thereby destroyed. If marriage can be redefined, then so can gay or homosexual (i. e. the old joke, male lesbian). Just where do you draw the line?
I am always open to dialog.You have my number .
Love You and who you are!!
Uncle Paul
I posted about this in LJ, and got some great responses. I followed most people's advice and ignored it.
Once that got no response, he emailed me again on my personal email, saying something about coming to watch his fish for vacation and mentioned it again. I didn't respond to that either.
Then, he called. I was forced to engage him now, since I was driving and didn't look to see who was calling and answered it. It went a bit like this:
Him: Wow, this whole gays getting married thing is just killing marriage.
Me: *sigh* No, it isn't.
Him: Oh, really? Well, I just think it's the biggest threat to marriage.
Me: You have had three divorces. If you ask me, your divorces are doing more harm than good to marriage.
He suddenly had to go.
A few more weeks go by, and I get another email today.:
Hi Tina,
Read this article: http://www.worldnetdaily.c
Call me sometime and we can discuss it.
;-)
Paul
Okay... so... I read the article. World net daily is a severe right wing website. I think anyone who has ever written for a high school newspaper, town penny saver, or family yearly update can contribute, and the writing in the article makes it painfully clear. I was talking about it with
twtd and it really seemed like the person writing it was very right wing, but he was writing liberally, and getting confused along the way. I couldn't even read the entire article because it made no sense. If you want to give it a go, that's fine, but seriously...Anyone who I talk to on a regular basis knows how I feel. Honestly, I don't care if it's called marriage, or fdnjka, or what. Right now, I am listening to my partner sleep 10,000 miles away because there is no law on the books that recognizes her as my partner. My dad told me about how his brother in law went to Africa, met a woman, married her in a week, and two months later, she is in the process of getting her green card. In three months, Kate and I will be together for two years. We have spent most of that time separated by two oceans because our relationship doesn't count. I just want to be treated the same. I want to be able to have a baby with Kate without having to be scared that someone will take it away because both of us have vaginas. This whole thing is exhausting me, and having the states recognize marriage is going to evenutally have to force the federal government to overturn DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act). I would settle for equal immigration rights right now, because that's on the forefront of my mind.
::Sigh:: This is not how I intended to spend my Saturday. I'm tired of sitting back and not fighting back. My plan to deal with my uncle is two fold. One, I am going to email him and as politely as possible tell him to fuck himself, then defriend him. Next, I am going to make small donations to every gay rights group I can think of in his name and make sure I get him signed up for mailings.
I am having a hard time being tactful. Anyone have suggestions?